Are You Ready for Self-Driving Cars? - Comments Page 2

"Consider this scenario: your autonomous car is moving you along nicely when it turns a corner and there’s a group of kindergartners in the middle of the road. Even with full emergency braking, the car will plow through them if it continues in a straight line. But the only evasive maneuver possible involves running off a cliff, with a high probability of killing you. What choice do you want “your” car to make under such conditions?"

Really! Who would be stupid enough to put an elementary school that close to a cliff? Also, where was the patrol person who would be responsible to warn a vehicle that children were in the road? Who let the children in the middle of the road? Mid-block cross walks I've seen are far enough from the corner that a vehicle traveling at the speed limit (usually 20 MPH when children are present) would be able to stop for someone crossing. Remember that autonomous cars would have access to more information than any human driver and would probably sense that there were people in the road before making the turn.

The major problem with all these "choose the lesser of two evils" scenarios is that they ignore all the other factors that would prevent the situation in the first place.

NOTE: Inclement weather and degraded road conditions are already being investigated and, to a limited extent, tested. By the time these cars become mainstream, they will be more secure and reliable than any system currently available.

EDITOR'S NOTE: Sheesh, all these comments about why kindergartners shouldn't be in the road... it was a hypothetical. Let's say it was a couple of 3rd graders running into the road after a soccer ball, nowhere near a school zone, okay? Same problem...

Hell No!

This would never do for me, I love to drive. Now that I am retired and don't have to drive, I love it even more. Especially on the open road. Emergency braking might be ok though.

I would like to add one more thought: I'm convinced that Google is trying to take over the world (but I also thought that about Bill Gates and Microsoft back in the 1990's). In any case, you don't think you'll be able to have a driverless car without Google tracking as much information as they can from your "car" do you?(Where you go, when you go, etc.) And then selling that information to the highest bidder. Maybe I'm being paranoid here, but I don't think Google gives a damn about privacy and the driverless car is simply one more way they can spy on you.

I can see a need and a use for driverless cars. Such as a commute where you travel the same route each workday to and from work. BUT I would like to turn off the 'driverless' part once I leave the route. One instance - I need to go shopping and we all know there's more morons in a parking lot than there are cars and said morons are ready to kill for the closest place to park, (so they don't have to get any exercise walking). Another instance would be taking you kids(s) to a school function after school hours. There are some real idiots out there that shouldn't be allowed to open a car door, much less drive. And there's the small debris scattered here and about that's really hard for the radar to see that can screw your car up royally. I know, I was a radar tech in Viet Nam and the small stuff looks like old broadcast tv snow IF YOU CAN SEE IT. I rest my case.

Combine an Uber type cellphone app with the all electric car and the self driving automobile and all of a sudden you have a highly efficient fast, comfortable urban transportation technology. No need for parking. No pollution. Extremely low operating costs for the vehicle. No driver wages. No or low pedestrian and cyclist accidents. The technology is capable of delivering a door to door comfortable "transit" ride at a cost of less than a dollar for a 6 mile trip (about 1/3rd of the cost of existing urban transit systems) and still make a large profit for operators.

Cloud computing interactive control allows "herd" traffic management and ride scheduling that dramatically increases road density and prevents congestion. (Non computer controlled cars will have to be banned from the inner city.)

Very heavy traffic routes can still be served by rapid transit and commuter rail - with Uber/Google cars feeding the rapid transit system. The cars can be privately owned or competitively owned and operated with different fees for different levels of luxury and privacy.
The whole system is so cost effective it will bring "public" transit to small towns and even villages.

My point is, this technology is clearly in the works, and major players are already jockying for position to grab a piece of this transportation revolution.

I look forward to self driving cars so I can read a good book on those 10-15 hour drives that I just need to do to get there. I want the option to drive myself though because as someone else pointed out, sometimes you get intentionally lost in the mountains and go where very few have gone before. That's a time when I really enjoy driving.

Less need for hotel rooms too. Imagine a minivan with the interior of a small travel trailer. Leave Boston after dinner, watch a bit of TV, go to sleep and wake up well rested in D.C. Spend your day working, your evening partying, then head off for home or your next destination. Way more civilized than flying.

Bob,
WRT my previous post. The point I was making is that such no-win scenarios are totally lacking in background information that created the situation.
Let’s use two other more likely options:
1) You are the driver of the vehicle. What would YOU do?
2) You are the passenger in a vehicle with a human driver faced with the same situation. How would you feel about having your fate in the hands of another human?
As was pointed out in your other article on driverless cars, they would most likely be equipped with sensors that would detect the presence of people in, or potentially entering, the road and compensate for the potential hazard. This would provide the onboard computer with more information than would be available to a human driver.
Are such sensors currently available? No.
Are driverless cars readily available? No.
Will sensors be sensitive and accurate enough to avoid these conditions when driverless cars become mainstream? Most likely, yes.
-- Suppose you were driving in town and the streets were full of holiday shoppers. You try to stop, but the brake lever comes loose. Your only choice would be to run into the crowd and injure many people, or steer into a gas lamp and catch the vehicle on fire? No. You will never catch me using one of those horseless carriage things. --

And as soon as this is the way of life in this country our enemies will destroy our satellites. Then what?

Self-driven cars as rentals for one trip at a time are laughable except as taxis. I often have personal stuff in my car, and it is not just a purse and a briefcase! I always carry food because I'm on a special diet and can't just grab a sandwich when I'm hungry. There's no way I can envision transferring stuff from one rental car to the next several times a day! Then what would I have to do overnight? Put it all in my apartment or house until I get up the next day and have to transfer it back to the car? How long would I have to wait for an available car to come along to take me on a 10' trip to the bank that takes 30' by bicycle? I have enough experience with taking a public bus to know that this is going to wind up limiting you to one or two trips a day (or less if you can't afford what it costs to rent a ride every time you turn around). You will eventually only be able to go to places that are on the approved list of destinations. Towns and cities will necessarily begin to shrink-wrap themselves around a central axis and result in European-style villages with huge wastelands of uninhabited terrain in between them. No more being able to drive somewhere with no money in your pocket but half a tankful of gasoline still in your own car. Whoever is thinking up all these utopian scenarios of rentable driverless cars is not thinking about the real trade-offs between reduced car accidents and injuries/deaths vs. freedom of movement. If you've never been forced to ride your bike when your car wasn't working (even through the rain, and not at all in winter), you have no idea what it will be like to have no money to rent a car multiple times a day or multiple times a week. Even if a licensed driver is in a self-driving car, lack of frequent driving practice will result in that driver being mentally and physically uncoordinated in an emergency situation. I could go on ...