[PRIVACY] The Encryption War Just Got Real - Comments Page 3

I would rather live under a democracy with a tyrannical government than live under a socialist state with a tyrannical government. IN OTHER WORDS, we have finally boxed ourselves into a technological corner with very few ways out of it. We're at a crossroads and must make a decision.

Let's hope they come up with a solution for the future that satisfies both extremely critical needs.

As it is now, ISIS and friends now know their secrets are safe on an iPhone. That cannot be a good thing. Advantage: ISIS? Are you kidding me? Get a solution to this going forward!

Maybe I am out of date, but I have heard that ANY password can be hacked if enough effort is made. So why not put a huge effort into cracking the password?

I, too, am with Apple on this one. But when I see what the banks, AIG, Enron, and other corporations have done to the public, I am more queasy about them than the government.

Our national security trumps all privacy encryption in my view! There must be some middle ground

I agree with it all, our freedom is our privacy and too often over zealous state and fed law enforcement lay traps and spy on the common and not the criminal.
Funny how the unwitting walk into things and the criminal knows not to tread. We see our fellow Americans in big differences with the government and can and does always go wrong.
These things we see on the news are not actors who walk away afterwards.
Thanks as Always, PMW

Bob wrote: Even if Apple can create software that disables iOS’ self-destruct feature (and Cook doesn’t admit that’s possible), the company would consider it “too dangerous” to turn over such software to the government, ostensibly for use only on this one phone.

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Call me a sceptic, but I don't believe it. This is just a ploy by Apple's Marketing to sell more phones. Corporations understand one thing, and one thing only: Greed.

What I’m wondering is why the FBI hasn’t turned to the Dark Web for what they want. Since the phone in question is an older model, most likely programs on how to break the security already exist. The only holdback would be the FBI would be embarrassed to admit using the Dark Web. They couldn’t take credit themselves without evoking an even greater outrage over individual’s privacy. But then again, maybe they did search the Dark Web and couldn’t find what they wanted – yet.

Criminals have already written their own encryption software, and they haven't left a backdoor open for law enforcement. Weakening my security will not help catch drug dealers, pimps, or terrorists, but it may well cause me problems.

Here's a comment on the court ruling/order.
Courts can issue all the rulings and/or orders they want, but have no power to enforce them. They have to rely on other agencies for that - as has been shown several times in our history. The court can declare Apple in Contempt of Court and levy penalties, but still cannot enforce them themselves.
If other agencies take action against Apple, they could force them out of business in the USA.
As has been addressed in other articles, this case sets a precedence against all tech companies. Once a precedence is established, it is used for all subsequent cases on the same basic topic. Thus the fate of all tech companies hangs in the balance - either comply and lose customers (and possibly go bankrupt), or be forced out of business.
The social and economic impact could be devastating.

The FBI really doesn't need this cracking software. All it needs is someone to crack this particular phone for it, like hiring a locksmith. Merely unlocking the phone would not corrupt the chain of evidence.

Its sad that we have a government that can not be trusted and lies all the time. Its also sad that Apple will not help out by giving the information on the phone to help. Apple could just hand over the information with out exposing its security.
But give a inch and the government will take a mile, so I see Apples point.

Freedom of Speech includes freedom to be heard but also to "remain silent" when you choose to. When did it suddenly become necessary, or even acceptable, to guarantee that law enforcement can always hear or see what any citizen is doing? Their next move will be legal restrictions on our ability to encrypt in the first place. To see how wrong this is, consider the fact that there is no reliable way to catch people meeting in person or to overhear them talking softly in each other's ears. Will some judge then conclude that such interactions can be outlawed except when you let a member of law enforcement stand next to you?

The scenarios that well-meaning people use to justify government intrusion are products of their movie-driven imagination. They especially like the cliche of the "ticking time bomb" and torturing a suspect to find and defuse it seconds before it goes off. That may make an exciting plot device for a movie (or every episode of "24") but it has yet to be a real-life scenario, and police would not stumble onto such a case at the last minute anyway. Terrorism is just the latest "indefensible" enemy whose existence is exploited to make us accept the loss of privacy. Apparently law enforcement feels that their previous alarms about rampant child p**nography (or drug kingpins before that) proved not scary enough to make us go along with repressive measures against all citizens. The latest turnabout is that they no longer pretend that these special powers will be reserved just for national security. Now we are told they will be used for all sorts of other investigations.

Years of using torture and massive NSA interception of all communications (even done in REAL-TIME) failed to prevent San Bernardino or any other significant terrorist action. There were a few incompetent crazies caught by enticement and entrapment, but that only proves that human intelligence and legwork is what gets results, rather than lazily harvesting all citizens' data or even digging through a terrorist's discarded phone after-the-fact.

The simple reality is that horrible deeds can always be committed by a determined person without anyone finding out in advance. There are a truly infinite number of targets and plenty of ways to plan an attack below the radar. To make things worse, despite ample warning, the West made the stupid mistake of joining in multiple wars between religious sects in the Middle East, and thereby made ourselves the enemy of ALL sides in those conflicts. While our past meddling can't be undone now, we should certainly stop repeating such mistakes. Unfortunately, it appears that our government will instead simply continue trying to control every aspect of communication (and later all movement - guess who will ultimately control driverless cars?) Within 1 or 2 generations everyone will be submissive from the start, having never experienced a free society.

A quick look at the news will tell you government IS a criminal, the greatest in today's society, and thus cannot be trusted with anything.

I don't know if anyone offered up Benjamin Franklin's quote, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.". Those who would cede their privacy/liberty to obtain Big Brother's "protection" in this list would well heed our founding fathers' concerns about a republic's tendency to over reach and remove freedom.

I support and commend Apple for their stance!!

I wonder if anyone read the shooter his rights, which begin with "You have the right to remain silent ..". Breaking into his phone without his consent could be a violation of those rights.

Previous cases involving passwords prevented the law enforcement agencies from breaking the password without the person's consent.

There is nothing in the governing rules that say dead people have waived their rights under this provision.

I think when the goal is to protect citizens from the actions of terrorists who murdered and maimed innocent people, and we acknowledge that those who would do so are out there, we need all the tools we can to stop the loss of innocent lives. Yes, the government can get out of control with surveillance, we have seen that. But there needs to be a way that allows the information locked in devices that might be able to save many lives to be accessed by those who would protect our very lives from those who would slaughter us. It would seem to me that we could allow the data to be accessed the methodology to be severely restricted or even destroyed such that it can not be misused. I am no big fan of the government acting like big brother watching all we do, but if we want the acts of terrorists to be prevented rather than burying more innocents, we have to, under certain well defined circumstances and order by a judge (not just law enforcement)allow this data to be accessed. Apple and all the others all want to claim for profit motives at least as much as free speech, to be able to state that no one can break into their devices. What cost are we willing to pay? Your family your friends dead when it might have been prevented? We should be able to preserve privacy and be able in certain circumstances get information to protect ourselves from those who would slaughter us. What if information could prevent a dirty bomb or suitcase nuclear weapon attack? Would Apple's or Google's or any one individual's "right" to privacy when a judge orders otherwise be of more value than those lives? There must be a way to have both privacy and the right to protect ourselves from these terrorist threats.

Give it to Abby and McGee at NCIS, they'll break into the phone. :D

Right on Bob. Great article.

Giving the government unfettered access to all of our information would be a (another?) step on the road to a tyrannical government.

In as much a cryptographic software was subjected to export restrictions as "munitions", why don't all Americans avail themselves to their Second Amendment right to employ encryption.

Why doesn't the adoption of the Thirteenth Amendment's prohibition on "involuntary servitude" in 1865 protect Apple from the operation of the Judiciary Act of 1789?

Methinks the NSA already has a backdoor and the current brouhaha is just a disinformation campaign on the part of the feds to persuade
criminals and terrorists that they can depend on what Apple and Android provide rather than employ secondary means.

Well said Nelson Meaker! There is nothing to be debated here, Apple is all about plain old greed..... It's so simple - let apple retrieve any info and turn THAT over to the government. Problem solved.