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Dan
19 Jan 2021

I'm curious. Would it be possible to freeze your system and on a daily basis wipe out windows updates? I've been in pc repair for over 20 years and these days it's windows update related problems that I see the most. It would be nice to have a computer that just always works they way it did yesterday.

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RandiO
19 Jan 2021

Don't we or shouldn't we (all 42366 of us) be doing some sort of cryogenic trickery to protect our computers/data, as AskBob has properly skooled us?
Thank you BobRankin.

Posted by:

Renaud Olgiati
19 Jan 2021

All this talk of "deep freezing" reminds me of the old computer maintenance trick when trying to recover the data from a failing hard disk:
- Remove HD from computer, and store it for a couple hours in the freezer.
- Put back in the computer, boot up, and you are often able to recover your data and copy it to another HD.
ONCE ! (The bin the old HD)
Then

Posted by:

Alan
19 Jan 2021

I first heard about Deep Freeze from the director of a 911 system in Kansas. The program as installed on the computers in the dispatch system He was pleased with the results.

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Louise Smith
19 Jan 2021

I have a dear friend who was a Librarian for a K-8 school and swore by Deep Freeze. And I can only imagine that it would be wonderful there. (That school purchased when Deep Freeze first came out and it was a lifetime purchase, not annually)
I tried it for a short time and even though I had a C: drive for all programs and a d:drive for my data and I only froze the C:drive - - I finally decided it was too much trouble as an individual.

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Larry Crowell
19 Jan 2021

I don't know about this product. Seems like another complicated layer of software on top complicated layers of software. Instead, I use Macrium to make frequent backups of my system partition to a normally powered-off external USB hard drive and rely on that to restore a corrupted system partition, which I've had to do several times. It's necessary to do this anyway in case of a hard disc failure, which Deep Freeze cannot protect against. BTW, I keep my system partition at the absolute minimum to run Windows and everything else on a separate partition (also Macrium backed up) so a backup (or restore) of my system partition takes just a few minutes. Before I install ANY new software I do a backup. Ya just never know.

Posted by:

Kirk
19 Jan 2021

Our computer club at our senior's centre uses deep freeze, and it does it's job reliably. Once a month, the computers are unfrozen, and any upgrades or updates deemed safe are applied by volunteers from the club. Then the computers are refrozen.

Posted by:

Gary
19 Jan 2021

I am a volunteer computer/technology tutor at a community centre and we have had Deep Freeze installed on our computers for several years. It is the best thing we ever did. The students can do whatever they want on the PCs during our lessons and at end of lesson the PC are rebooted and restored to pre lesson state with no problems. As I manage the computers and network at the centre, I have never had any problems with installing new software and doing windows updates. Great product.

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Charley
19 Jan 2021

Ditto Larry Crowell! I've been doing exactly the same things for many, many years now. It covers all possible disasters - minor to major. You can recover a single deleted or screwed up file, or recover from an "everything got screwed up" software installation (or update). I am a staunch believer in keeping C: for System & Programs, and D: for all Data including remapped Windows Documents, Music, Downloads, Pics folders.'Makes any size recovery simple, fast and sure!
I've used two other major backup programs before finding Macrium Reflect about 7 years ago, and it's really pro. 'Keeping 4 machines out of trouble.

Posted by:

Stephe
19 Jan 2021

Presumably, Deep Freeze would keep your system safe from any ransomware? If so, it could pay for itself in one off-guard moment!

A Macrium regime of regular back-ups (as advised by Larry and Charley) is good, but this offers a passive solution where it is making changes that entails the pro-active decision.

Sleeping your computer, then making a weekly(?) decision to "bring inside" any useful changes, to system or data, before re-booting, sounds like a regime that wouldn't be too onerous.

And yes, you'd still need occasional back-ups in case of disk failure, etc., but anything that helps prevent that realisation pit-of-the-stomach feeling is welcome...

Posted by:

Mark
19 Jan 2021

As another alternative to Deep Freeze that you might check out is google Reboot Restore Rx, I've used it in the past, there is a free version and a paid w/ more features and is very similar to this product.

Posted by:

Luke Donohue
20 Jan 2021

Another competitor to this software is "Shadow defender" very similar. I am very happy with it.

Posted by:

GregC
20 Jan 2021

I am a big fan of Deep Freeze.
About 10 years ago I had an extended, work related stay in a hotel that protected their computers with Deep Freeze. It was NOT obvious what software was in play, as the computer rebooted perfectly every time. I w3as fortunate that a tech wa nearby one day and he stated that Deep Freeze was the program protecting these computers.

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Darryl
20 Jan 2021

Back when I was using Windows I had a program called Returnil that worked the same way. I liked to try to modify my computer a lot and try out different programs to see what they were like, and this allowed me to return to the 'normal' state with just a reboot. One day, not paying attention as I should, I changed the password to my email account and locked myself out on a reboot. But I absolutely didn't worry about viruses or anything nasty. The guy who showed it to me installed it on my computer and then deliberately got rid of the registry. On reboot it was all as it should be. Deep Freeze works the same way.

Posted by:

Robert Deloyd
20 Jan 2021

I wonder if it can be loaded and used on Windows XP?

Posted by:

BAW30s
20 Jan 2021

Like Darryl, I try a lot of programs, and have for the last 15 years used a program with similarities to Deep Freeze to get myself out of trouble when things go wrong. It's Horizon Rollback: there is a version for public computers which wipes out all changes on a reboot, but I use one in which I take a snapshot (generally before installing software) which allows me to "rollback" all changes if I wish.
System Restore is meant to have a similar effect, but the Rollback snapshots are comprehensive and, in my experience, much more reliable. They can reverse the effects of malware (which often wipes out System Restore points) and has a pre-boot console which can easily be accessed if any changes have made a system unbootable.
There was a free Home version until last year which can still be found; there was also a free XP version which is no longer available.
Expert users like Larry tend to rely on frequent backups, but in practice I find that few people have the knowledge or motivation to make these, so a program like Rollback can offer a simpler solution, as snapshots can be made with two clicks in a few seconds. Full backups are, of course, still necessary from time to time to protect against hard drive failure.

Posted by:

Jonathan
20 Jan 2021

I used to use Roxio GoBack a few years ago and regret it's passing. It did the same as system restore but actually achieved what it was intended to do.

$40 for ONE computer is more than a little excessive. Like many families we have five running and that's a considerable chunk of money.

It would be very handy for cleaning off something loaded but found wanting but that's rare for me, maybe for my wife........ still seems expensive.

PC Matic does one Hell of a lot more for a comparable price for five computers.

If deep freeze really wants to crack the home market they will have to alter their priceing structure. For something costing as much and having rare use the one week trial is definitelly miserly. T assess it's usefullness on a home computer with single user would take months of real time use.

Posted by:

Barry Heath
20 Jan 2021

I'm comfortable with PC-Matic on all my machines. It doesn't let anything in that I don't allow, so the nasties can't get in. What else would I need?

Posted by:

Pete
20 Jan 2021

Sounds useful. I just make sure to create a system image using the tools in Windows. There are open source programs out there too but as long as they keep the program working, under backup and what they call Windows 7 backup (the old version and I think slightly more comprehensive than the Win 10 default backup) I'll keep using it. I set it to do "User" data and any unique folders I might have directly on c: and system image. Then, personally, I turn off (uncheck) the system image part after the first time. Then, if I add unique programs, once in awhile I'll turn it back on if I'm sure there is no malware and I've cleaned up cache data wherever possible with CCleaner (I download the professional version with 30 day trial and after running it turn off all 'helpful' settings as it wants to run on its own and such, which is not ok with me. Often I'll uninstall CCleaner when the trial runs out or before. I check news on it because once a few years back it even got struck by someone/ something.) or other cleaning program. I back up just new files using that backup program whenever I attach an external HDD. I've seen a crypto program mess up an external before so I don't keep it attached all the time.

Right away the article reminded me of 'hardened' OS's I've heard people have owned before that allow no changes. The Deep Freeze sounds more user friendly.

I've done the old HDD in the freezer trick before. It actually got it moving and somehow that HDD is still working today. Not all of the owner's data was intact but I warned them it was a last resort before drilling holes in the HDD and not to expect a miracle. I did a complete 'restore to factory defaults' after a users folder backup because it just wasn't acting right. I never dreamed it would continue working after that and somehow doesn't fail HDD hardware tests. I have theories on that but won't take your time/ space up. One unique thing I did was put the HDD in 2 freezer bags with the desiccant pouches from some pill bottles I had around. (All the biggest warnings against the procedure mentioned condensation. I'm not certain those increased chances of relative success but mention it as I hadn't heard of anyone using them before and I thought them an obvious possible help for that issue.) Crazy thing, I don't recall how long I left it in the freezer. I think it was 2 hours but... just happy I remember doing it.

Hopefully I didn't take up too much space. I don't remark on here often but when I do, it's difficult to stop. Still like talking about tech even though I only do a few fixes for others as side jobs these days.

Posted by:

Charley
21 Jan 2021

For those of you who are saying that this genre of software is simpler and easier to use than restoring from a periodic image backup -- how would you respond, after several days of work, to that unexpected crash requiring a reboot?

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